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Post by thegoat on Dec 14, 2023 22:57:26 GMT
The real question is, how expensive is that starter box going to be? It is GW. We all should have started eating instant ramen six months ago, in order to afford the launch.
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Post by TyrrenAzureblade on Dec 14, 2023 23:09:44 GMT
The real question is, how expensive is that starter box going to be? I'd be willing to bet $250-300USD. Significantly cheaper in the UK.
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Post by grandmasterwang on Dec 15, 2023 5:35:50 GMT
That cavalry looks to be on 25*50mm rectangle. Doesn't look like 30*60mm
Honestly those old spearmen lineup fine on 20mm squares so that's a bit annoying. I'd be all for forcing a 25mm square size if we got new updated TK skeletons but this is a bit deflating.
Man I actually heaps of these old horse and foot guys....which it seems are going to be a 'new' release.
Missed opportunity to not include Tomb Guard. If this box has just 1 unit of 10 Tomb Guard and 20 less skeletons I'd be way more upbeat about it.
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Post by lordofskullpass on Dec 15, 2023 8:57:10 GMT
based on that photo of the TK box floating around, seems like there won't be new models besides the dragon thing and a foot character. Crazy that they will keep going with these older-than-old skeleton inf+cavalry. based on that photo of the TK box floating around, seems like there won't be new models besides the dragon thing and a foot character. Crazy that they will keep going with these older-than-old skeleton inf+cavalry. Especially for the launch of the new game. And especially given that Vampires have now been given two post-6th skeleton sets.
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Post by herjan1987 on Dec 15, 2023 10:27:01 GMT
Wow my wish came true. I wish to see the Dwarfen box
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Post by DiscoQing on Dec 15, 2023 14:19:50 GMT
Looks as though the "lighter" cav are still on 25x50mm bases. The chariot seems to be on 60x100mm... The crocodile seems to be on 100x150mm.
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Post by herjan1987 on Dec 18, 2023 14:14:14 GMT
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Post by thegoat on Dec 18, 2023 14:36:44 GMT
Similar character/core/special/rare percentages as 8th edition. But with faction specific some per unit requirements and limitations This could be really good.
I hope they do stuff like requiring Orc & Goblin armies to include a unit of common goblins in order to take goblin crewed rock lobbers and spear chukkas, etc.
Monstrous mounts modify the rider's toughness and wounds. But have their own M, WS, S, I, A. Big thumbs-up from me.
Hippogryph has counts as heavy armor and can optionally have barding. How does that work? The Hippogryph doesn't ever take wounds. So the rider counts as having his own armor plus the Hippogryph armor plus barding?
Men-at-arms have "polearms". It that different from halberds?
Classically Bretonnia never used mercenaries (Dogs of War). Now they can. And why are they called mercenaries instead of Dogs of War? I don't like that one bit.
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Post by sedge on Dec 18, 2023 16:21:28 GMT
So much good stuff in there...
Allies and Mercenaries were a much needed (re)addition. The points levels and restrictions all look sensible, as does combining Characters into one grouping. I like that there will also be themed lists that allow you to lean more heavily into a certain aspect of a race, hopefully such as Slayer armies or a Wood Elf Wild Hunt.
I like the extra tier of character, and also monsters adding wounds + toughness to the rider. Like thegoat, I'm not sure why a Hippogryph has heavy armour, but I guess we'll find out.
I'm intrigued as to what the "Squires" unit is, as it isn't regular Men-at-arms or Mounted Yeomen. Also the Sergeants at Arms are new, I think? The new Grail Monk extra champion for a peasant unit sounds interesting too.
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Post by DiscoQing on Dec 18, 2023 18:43:08 GMT
Whereas there's some good stuff there... I'm quite underwhelmed. So much time has passed since the last Bretonnia book, almost 20yrs...
And what we've found is: A monk champion A Duke (a good chaos lord) A sergeant at arms (peasant hero) KotR on foot
I'm gutted, tbh.
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Post by Sweet_Totally on Dec 18, 2023 21:06:09 GMT
Similar character/core/special/rare percentages as 8th edition. But with faction specific some per unit requirements and limitations This could be really good. I hope they do stuff like requiring Orc & Goblin armies to include a unit of common goblins in order to take goblin crewed rock lobbers and spear chukkas, etc. My fear is that they instead would just do a bland requiring of a greenskin army to have one unit of goblins and one unit of Orc boys. That would suck, but your suggestion of tying units to what's in your core I really like! Monstrous mounts modify the rider's toughness and wounds. But have their own M, WS, S, I, A. Big thumbs-up from me. Oh yeah, me too. I'm definitely looking forward to fielding some monster-riding characters. Hippogryph has counts as heavy armor and can optionally have barding. How does that work? The Hippogryph doesn't ever take wounds. So the rider counts as having his own armor plus the Hippogryph armor plus barding? That confused me a lot since it does seem to imply that the character won't receive a bonus from wearing armour. Nice for wizards but not so much for the gents. Hopefully they'll change it to the new scaly skin. Men-at-arms have "polearms". It that different from halberds? My thinking is that it's just a renaming of the halberd-type to make it a bit more generic.
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Post by DiscoQing on Dec 18, 2023 21:29:46 GMT
Come on lads... The Peasants have had polearms for about 20yrs...
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Post by DiscoQing on Dec 18, 2023 21:46:10 GMT
I'm looking forward to *potentially* having a Brets army, with Empire allies Cannons. Emphasis on potentially, and whether cannons are good or not, hehe.
Essentially, all "good" armies have access to Cannons/Repeater Bolt Throwers.
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Post by thegoat on Dec 18, 2023 21:59:43 GMT
Come on lads... The Peasants have had polearms for about 20yrs... Yes. But your example clearly says, "counts as a halberd". The entry shown today is missing that part. That leads me to think polearm might now be different from halberd. A few weeks ago one of the articles referenced "pikes". Maybe this is a sign that more basic weapon choices are being added to the main rules. Or maybe I'm making a mountain out of a molehill. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ edit: My guess is a polearm can be used with a shield. Where as a halberd can't. But that is wild speculation on my part. I'm ready to be wrong.
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Post by DiscoQing on Dec 19, 2023 0:02:28 GMT
Yeah, my thought was they could be used as either a spear or a Halberd - decide at beginning of combat.
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