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Post by KevinC on Aug 3, 2015 11:33:32 GMT
Sorenj,
Great comments, thanks.
The next draft of the Bretonnia army list will most likely have a revised Lance Formation that does not negate steadfast.
I understand the issues about a combine monster profile, though, I'm trying to get it balanced out. For example, the Skylord (Bret lord on Hippogryph) cannot take magic armour to increase his armour save and is only allowed 50 pts worth of items.
Good point about the monster options, I will include some fashion of this.
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Post by TheREALricksalamone on Aug 3, 2015 12:23:45 GMT
Those were some great comments Sorenj, thanks for contributing.
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Post by sorenj on Aug 3, 2015 13:24:28 GMT
I can't but help ask why you guys think your Bretonnia armybook will be preferred over the already existing suggestions. For instance there is this one compiled by Mathias Eliasson docs.google.com/file/d/0B_Redi9cZJ5iS3JheVpnUXRkSU0/editI noticed that in their work the Lance foramtion is only requires 3 models to make a rank, and as far as I recall that was also how it was in 5 or 6'th edition. Anyways, having only 3 in a rank would solve the problem of having enough ranks in a knight unit to negate steadfast, but I imagine there is also a bunch of problems with that solution.
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Post by avatarofbugman on Aug 3, 2015 14:26:03 GMT
Welcome, Sorenj. Thank you for adding your thoughts. I also see some problems with the combined profile. The Brettonians would gain many advantages over other armies if this is too different.
I don't think it is really about being preferred. Kevin has done a GT accepted book for Chaos Dwarfs in the past, and this is an army he wanted to also do. Also, I believe that Kevin's intention was to have 3 per rank normal, and 6 per rank to be a horde. Currently the Brettonians need 10 wide for a horde.
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Post by TheREALricksalamone on Aug 3, 2015 14:42:01 GMT
I don't think the 3 wide thing exists anymore. There's no reason to use it.
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Post by KevinC on Aug 3, 2015 15:08:38 GMT
I am not assuming that this EEFL Bretonnian army list will be the preferred list. It may turn out no one is interested in it - and that's fine. These rules are not to be crammed down anyone's throat. If a player chooses to use the list, that is just great. If a player does not, that's all fine.
3-wide cav units look ugly. I enjoyed the proper wedge formation in 5th, but I don't think it's practical to bring it back.
Knights look awesome in large, wide formations.
Kevin
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Post by avatarofbugman on Aug 3, 2015 16:31:58 GMT
So, does that mean all Bretts need to do is add one file to go from normal to horde? That's kinda gross. Just write it as Brettonian knight units are six wide or wider and count as being in horde formation. Otherwise people opposing it may revolt
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Post by TheREALricksalamone on Aug 3, 2015 18:09:18 GMT
I thought it was written that way. That's how boda and I played it. They looked awesome that way.
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Post by KevinC on Aug 3, 2015 19:35:42 GMT
Rick, what did you think was written what way?
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Post by avatarofbugman on Aug 3, 2015 19:58:15 GMT
It is written that they need six wide for a horde. It is not written that there is no non horde formation that I can read.
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Post by avatarofbugman on Aug 3, 2015 20:09:04 GMT
It says under lance formation:
"Cavalry units composed entirely of models with the knightly chivalry and/or knight of the grail special rule only require a frontage of six models to count as a horde, rather than the usual ten"
This can be taken as the are normally 5 wide if someone has never seen the army and is using the 8th edition rule book, or normally 3 wide if they are a long time Brettonian player. As it stands it is unclear.
You either need to allow the option. Of 3 wide or only allow horde, otherwise it will be awkward.
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Post by KevinC on Aug 3, 2015 20:55:04 GMT
Bret Cav need five wide to gain rank bonus like any other unit. If they go six wide they can horde.
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Post by avatarofbugman on Aug 3, 2015 20:59:21 GMT
No one will ever do 5 wide with it stated that way. Just state that they are always 6 wide or wider and horde formation at all times. Just my 2 cents. I think it's fine that way.
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Post by KevinC on Aug 3, 2015 21:24:34 GMT
Avatarofbugman, what's the difference?
The way its written is that they can do horde in 6-wide. If they don't want that, say it's a unit of 10 knights, they can be in two ranks of 5 as normal. Why is this an issue?
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Post by TheREALricksalamone on Aug 3, 2015 21:29:47 GMT
Yeah ranks of five are cheaper, default in the rule book, and the minimum requirement to break steadfast/disrupt.
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