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Post by Naitsabes on Mar 10, 2023 2:35:30 GMT
oh yikes! Hope dies last though. Please, DiscoQing tell us that you are just yanking our chain about the fixed charge distance.
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Post by Darnok on Mar 10, 2023 6:11:22 GMT
I don't know that level of detail on each element of the game. I do know that random charging is gone. Back to double movement. This does not sound promising to me, other than the "out by the end of this year" part mentioned earlier.
Less potential for magic I could easily live with, but the combination of no random charging with premeasuring feels just wrong to me. One or the other is fine, together sounds awful.
I guess I would give it a try, if only for the fact that I will get the book/starter anyway. And a release this year? I would have no issues with that whatsoever.
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Post by DiscoQing on Mar 10, 2023 10:22:19 GMT
Yeah I agree, I was a bit underwhelmed. But if people want to play it, I'll play too. If I get to use my models, with some new ones released here and there... Supported by updates / errata, then I'll be OK.
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Post by johngg on Mar 10, 2023 10:53:27 GMT
They suggested a swift FAQ post release would occur. <FACEPALM>
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Post by lordofskullpass on Mar 10, 2023 11:30:10 GMT
To be honest I've never liked premeasuring in Fantasy as it sacrifices too much realism. Whenever I've played 8th I've always houseruled that premeasuring is not allowed as a result, and if I get into TOW, I will have no qualms about houseruling it out again.
@discoqing anything more you can tell us about TOW? Does step-up exist or any other way to support infantry to balance out the cavalry dominance of 7th?
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Post by lordofskullpass on Mar 10, 2023 11:32:44 GMT
They suggested a swift FAQ post release would occur. <FACEPALM> I would have thought that's a good thing, it shows that they're willing to clarify everything to make sure everyone can get the hang of the game. Better than the minuscule level of FAQ and errata-ing in 8th Edition. As long as these FAQs are free, though, and there won't be any pointless 'compulsory' General's Handbook you supposedly have to buy every year just to stay in the game. But then, Horus Heresy hasn't had the latter, so hopefully TOW won't suffer from it either.
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Post by thegoat on Mar 10, 2023 13:16:53 GMT
I would have thought that's a good thing, it shows that they're willing to clarify everything to make sure everyone can get the hang of the game. Better than the minuscule level of FAQ and errata-ing in 8th Edition. As long as these FAQs are free, though, and there won't be any pointless 'compulsory' General's Handbook you supposedly have to buy every year just to stay in the game. But then, Horus Heresy hasn't had the latter, so hopefully TOW won't suffer from it either. I hate FAQs. I want the rules for the game in one place: the physical rulebook. I don't want to have to search the rulebook plus the FAQ plus the general's handbook plus thirty white dwarf magazines, etc. to figure out a rules question.
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Post by vulcan on Mar 10, 2023 13:22:36 GMT
Great. So we're back to the four-turn 'just out of range' dance again? This is how I feel too. I HATED that aspect of double charges. All I can say is this better not become cavalry-hammer again. Well, this is the first step back toward it. Guarantee cavalry can ALWAYS get the charge in on infantry.
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Post by vulcan on Mar 10, 2023 13:26:53 GMT
To be honest I've never liked premeasuring in Fantasy as it sacrifices too much realism. Whenever I've played 8th I've always houseruled that premeasuring is not allowed as a result, and if I get into TOW, I will have no qualms about houseruling it out again. @discoqing anything more you can tell us about TOW? Does step-up exist or any other way to support infantry to balance out the cavalry dominance of 7th? No premeasuring only gimps honest players. There are WAY too many ways to cheat it, making it a meaningless rule.
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Post by lordofskullpass on Mar 10, 2023 15:15:57 GMT
To be honest I've never liked premeasuring in Fantasy as it sacrifices too much realism. Whenever I've played 8th I've always houseruled that premeasuring is not allowed as a result, and if I get into TOW, I will have no qualms about houseruling it out again. @discoqing anything more you can tell us about TOW? Does step-up exist or any other way to support infantry to balance out the cavalry dominance of 7th? No premeasuring only gimps honest players. There are WAY too many ways to cheat it, making it a meaningless rule. I'm a perfectly honest player and I only measure after declaring which unit to fire/charge at (i.e. postmeasuring, not premeasuring) - if I'm in range, all well and good, if not, then all my shots miss/I've made a failed charge. Easy, realistic, and a tape measure doesn't lie. Premeasuring is far more like cheating than not doing so in a game set in a genre where generals wouldn't have access to targeting systems that can reliably tell them whether a unit is in range or not. Measuring maximum range to a target and then saying 'no I won't charge/shoot those guys now that I know they're out of range, I'll charge/shoot these instead' is classic gamey behaviour.
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Post by johngg on Mar 10, 2023 19:10:34 GMT
I would have thought that's a good thing, it shows that they're willing to clarify everything to make sure everyone can get the hang of the game. Better than the minuscule level of FAQ and errata-ing in 8th Edition. As long as these FAQs are free, though, and there won't be any pointless 'compulsory' General's Handbook you supposedly have to buy every year just to stay in the game. But then, Horus Heresy hasn't had the latter, so hopefully TOW won't suffer from it either. I hate FAQs. I want the rules for the game in one place: the physical rulebook. I don't want to have to search the rulebook plus the FAQ plus the general's handbook plus thirty white dwarf magazines, etc. to figure out a rules question. This just smacks of GW trying to keep to impossible deadlines and pushing out a half arsed product. How can there possibly be an FAQ already waiting BEFORE the reulebook is released?! You would have thought they would have learned with HH:Inferno, or Leages of Votaan.
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Post by johngg on Mar 10, 2023 19:10:57 GMT
This is how I feel too. I HATED that aspect of double charges. All I can say is this better not become cavalry-hammer again. Well, this is the first step back toward it. Guarantee cavalry can ALWAYS get the charge in on infantry. I full throatedly agree.
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Post by Luigino on Mar 10, 2023 19:14:34 GMT
I hate FAQs. I want the rules for the game in one place: the physical rulebook. I don't want to have to search the rulebook plus the FAQ plus the general's handbook plus thirty white dwarf magazines, etc. to figure out a rules question. Me too! It always felt off, almost cheat-y when I have to tell people that "no actually, you see, the rule in the book is wrong and this piece of paper here or this website here shows the correct way to do it". And when done to me, it has always left a sour taste in my mouth.
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Post by gangland on Mar 10, 2023 21:25:38 GMT
I'm ok with FAQs because shit happens, better to correct the mistake. But you get maybe 5 pages for the core rules and one page for the army, after that you dun goofed.
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Post by thegoat on Mar 10, 2023 21:58:28 GMT
I hate FAQs. I want the rules for the game in one place: the physical rulebook. I don't want to have to search the rulebook plus the FAQ plus the general's handbook plus thirty white dwarf magazines, etc. to figure out a rules question. This just smacks of GW trying to keep to impossible deadlines and pushing out a half arsed product. How can there possibly be an FAQ already waiting BEFORE the reulebook is released?! You would have thought they would have learned with HH:Inferno, or Leages of Votaan. The first printing of the WFB 8th edition rulebook came with a paper insert with a rules errada for the victory points section of the rules. Pretty lame that they caught the problem before release. But decided to sell through the bad copies anyway.
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