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Post by Luigino on Sept 13, 2023 15:23:32 GMT
I strongly believe it will become more popular almost overnight as old school players come flooding back to the fold though. I really don't think so, as much ad I would like to. If that were the case they would have never discarded it in the first place |
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Post by herjan1987 on Sept 13, 2023 15:50:48 GMT
Well I can go by evidence, the new Fay Enchantress modell made 3200 likes and loves, Where I havent seen an AoS models due that
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Post by TyrrenAzureblade on Sept 13, 2023 18:18:22 GMT
As much as I would enjoy that, I don’t think TOW will replace AOS. I strongly believe it will become more popular almost overnight as old school players come flooding back to the fold though. It may be a very obnoxious and vocal minority, but judging by a lot of stuff I see on YouTube, Discord servers, and hell, even some folks here, it feels like the oldheads and grognards aren't budging from their favored edition, are strongly opposed to the new TOW models, won't buy the new rulebooks, or otherwise spend any money on TOW, so I have a hard time believing TOW will become more popular than AoS overnight. I'm hoping the silent majority proves this wrong, but g'damn, sometimes the WFB community at large feels intent on self-fulfilling a prophecy as it concerns the failure of TOW. |
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Post by grandmasterwang on Sept 14, 2023 3:14:05 GMT
As much as I would enjoy that, I don’t think TOW will replace AOS. I strongly believe it will become more popular almost overnight as old school players come flooding back to the fold though. It may be a very obnoxious and vocal minority, but judging by a lot of stuff I see on YouTube, Discord servers, and hell, even some folks here, it feels like the oldheads and grognards aren't budging from their favored edition, are strongly opposed to the new TOW models, won't buy the new rulebooks, or otherwise spend any money on TOW, so I have a hard time believing TOW will become more popular than AoS overnight. I'm hoping the silent majority proves this wrong, but g'damn, sometimes the WFB community at large feels intent on self-fulfilling a prophecy as it concerns the failure of TOW. You talk about TOW models but so far we have only seen under 5 of them and only characters. Wfb is a game of infantry. A lot of the potential success is dependent on the quality (and pricing) of the upcoming TOW infantry kits. If TOW comes out with great quality army boxes (ie TK) then it will drastically increase the chances of its success. I doubt it will happen but if TOW comes out with a nice free phone app (ala new 40k) it will greatly enhance accessibility. Ball is in GW court to make this a success. |
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Post by karnus on Sept 14, 2023 6:27:37 GMT
As much as I would enjoy that, I don’t think TOW will replace AOS. I strongly believe it will become more popular almost overnight as old school players come flooding back to the fold though. It may be a very obnoxious and vocal minority, but judging by a lot of stuff I see on YouTube, Discord servers, and hell, even some folks here, it feels like the oldheads and grognards aren't budging from their favored edition, are strongly opposed to the new TOW models, won't buy the new rulebooks, or otherwise spend any money on TOW, so I have a hard time believing TOW will become more popular than AoS overnight. I'm hoping the silent majority proves this wrong, but g'damn, sometimes the WFB community at large feels intent on self-fulfilling a prophecy as it concerns the failure of TOW. I believe them to be a very outspoken minority and their grumbling won’t steer my opinion (which is yet to be made up, how can you proclaim something to be inferior without trying it?), I believe it is their loss but at least they will be happy, frozen in the past forever more. I am shocked at how stubborn and dogged some of the responses have been to the announcement. I’ve been nothing but excited at the prospect of the game I love being supported again. |
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Post by midnightfox0083 on Sept 14, 2023 15:44:48 GMT
It may be a very obnoxious and vocal minority, but judging by a lot of stuff I see on YouTube, Discord servers, and hell, even some folks here, it feels like the oldheads and grognards aren't budging from their favored edition, are strongly opposed to the new TOW models, won't buy the new rulebooks, or otherwise spend any money on TOW, so I have a hard time believing TOW will become more popular than AoS overnight. I'm hoping the silent majority proves this wrong, but g'damn, sometimes the WFB community at large feels intent on self-fulfilling a prophecy as it concerns the failure of TOW. You talk about TOW models but so far we have only seen under 5 of them and only characters. Wfb is a game of infantry. A lot of the potential success is dependent on the quality (and pricing) of the upcoming TOW infantry kits. If TOW comes out with great quality army boxes (ie TK) then it will drastically increase the chances of its success. I doubt it will happen but if TOW comes out with a nice free phone app (ala new 40k) it will greatly enhance accessibility. Ball is in GW court to make this a success.
I very much doubt a phone app as it's not a Main 3 game and none of the Specialist Games have one, not even Heresy.
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Post by herjan1987 on Sept 14, 2023 17:26:15 GMT
Well the Fey Enchantress strikes again, this time in dakkadakka, where a AoS player wants to use her as proxy or if he cant play her as cities of sigmar charachter, he said he play ToW. On request I can link the post.
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Post by vulcan on Sept 14, 2023 20:28:12 GMT
It may be a very obnoxious and vocal minority, but judging by a lot of stuff I see on YouTube, Discord servers, and hell, even some folks here, it feels like the oldheads and grognards aren't budging from their favored edition, are strongly opposed to the new TOW models, won't buy the new rulebooks, or otherwise spend any money on TOW, so I have a hard time believing TOW will become more popular than AoS overnight. I'm hoping the silent majority proves this wrong, but g'damn, sometimes the WFB community at large feels intent on self-fulfilling a prophecy as it concerns the failure of TOW. I believe them to be a very outspoken minority and their grumbling won’t steer my opinion (which is yet to be made up, how can you proclaim something to be inferior without trying it?), I believe it is their loss but at least they will be happy, frozen in the past forever more. I am shocked at how stubborn and dogged some of the responses have been to the announcement. I’ve been nothing but excited at the prospect of the game I love being supported again. I'd be delighted to see the game I love being supported again. I'm just not yet convinced that TOW is going to be that game yet. Don't get me wrong. I WANT it to be good. I WANT it to succeed. But the conflagration that was End Times and AOS burned hot, and burned us hard. Burned once, reluctant to be burned again. My business will not be given. It will have to be earned by producing something I WANT to play. |
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Post by Horace on Sept 14, 2023 22:23:08 GMT
I believe them to be a very outspoken minority and their grumbling won’t steer my opinion (which is yet to be made up, how can you proclaim something to be inferior without trying it?), I believe it is their loss but at least they will be happy, frozen in the past forever more. I am shocked at how stubborn and dogged some of the responses have been to the announcement. I’ve been nothing but excited at the prospect of the game I love being supported again. I'd be delighted to see the game I love being supported again. I'm just not yet convinced that TOW is going to be that game yet. Don't get me wrong. I WANT it to be good. I WANT it to succeed. But the conflagration that was End Times and AOS burned hot, and burned us hard. Burned once, reluctant to be burned again. My business will not be given. It will have to be earned by producing something I WANT to play. Exactly this. If it's no good I will just continue on playing the old game I love and grabbing the remaining armies I want and don't own. Plenty of Skaven and Brets models I'd like and a whole wood elf army to paint.. next 10 years sorted. I hope it's good, then I will probably buy it. I certainly won't be buying it just for buying it's sake. I want to see it first. I don't trust GW to make a game that is actually true to WFB |
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Post by Mallo on Sept 17, 2023 10:52:03 GMT
It may be a very obnoxious and vocal minority, but judging by a lot of stuff I see on YouTube, Discord servers, and hell, even some folks here, it feels like the oldheads and grognards aren't budging from their favored edition, are strongly opposed to the new TOW models, won't buy the new rulebooks, or otherwise spend any money on TOW, so I have a hard time believing TOW will become more popular than AoS overnight. I'm hoping the silent majority proves this wrong, but g'damn, sometimes the WFB community at large feels intent on self-fulfilling a prophecy as it concerns the failure of TOW. I believe them to be a very outspoken minority and their grumbling won’t steer my opinion (which is yet to be made up, how can you proclaim something to be inferior without trying it?), I believe it is their loss but at least they will be happy, frozen in the past forever more. I am shocked at how stubborn and dogged some of the responses have been to the announcement. I’ve been nothing but excited at the prospect of the game I love being supported again. In the same vein, I've yet to see any reason to be overly excited. How can anyone proclaim it to be good when we have nothing to go on. A few symbols on a map, some vague promises of rules and model re-releases, and three new minis shown off. (Which quite possibly were just left overs from the studio from last time they had WFB on the go) But then I really don't care about what other people think about the hobby, especially those lazy regurgitated negative opinions from youtubers and 'influencers' online. I honestly don't care if TOW is failure or a success. I simple see it as an easy and slightly cheaper way to fill in some gaps in my collection. If it vanishes overnight, I can just go back to painting the backlog. If its a massive success, it still doesn't affect me as for the most part the 'WFB community' is terminology conned by GW to make people feel like they belong to this huge collective community, when in actuality most of us play with a very small handful of people and have no reason to worry about what some other group is doing/playing/whinging about. I'm only concerned about the immediate group I will continue to play with. I have no intention of playing in official gw stores (which are god awful and are horrid places to play games once you have your own table at home) and yet to see a good reason to buy into TOW for the sake of 'supporting' the game. I would be pleasantly surprised if TOW turned out to be god damn brilliant and made me want to buy into ever release for it. But chances are, even if it is the best version of the game ever made GW would have hard convincing me to chase every release. I despise their FOMO style of releases, and I'm not sitting in front of a computer every Saturday for 6 months rushing to hit refresh in hopes of catching every release. |
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Post by TyrrenAzureblade on Sept 18, 2023 18:36:19 GMT
I bought into 40k 10th Edition since the Combat Patrols are great entry points, and I figured I may as well start a game for the first time with a fresh new edition. I have to admit, the way GW is mishandling their prime cash cow isn't inspiring confidence in their ability to make TOW enjoyable. And remember when they used to announce price increases? They've abandoned that and are just raising prices here and there with no justification. The only thing that's keeping me slightly hopeful is that their specialist games team is handling it, and Horus Heresy seems to be healthy and enjoyed by its fans immensely. I shoulda done that instead of 40k...
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Post by Darnok on Sept 19, 2023 6:34:57 GMT
I believe every single person posting on this forum is quite invested in WHF in some form, so neither of us can speak for the general public. We all live in a WHF bubble to some extend, thus having a distorted picture of things.
Having said that: I think GW made some poor strategic choices with WHF leading to falling sales of the line, ultimately making the move to AoS to be the reasonable thing from GWs point of view. Those poor choices on GWs part are not related to how many people still love the game, its setting and models though. In my opinion way too many people mistake "the game got killed because it did not sell well enough" with "nobody wanted to buy" - not enough people bought the amount GW wanted them to, but this does not mean people disliked WHF.
It is my belief that there is a big potential customer base for a WHF game, and if GW handles the product right it will do well. My main point of concern is GW being weirder than usual lately... but we will have to wait and see.
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As for ongoing projects around TOW: I have built and primed units for three armies with the new bigger bases so far. The additional space they provide works well for me, so I will continue to use this "new standard" for some (but not all) of my projects from now on. If anything, this whole discussion has made me value the visual aspects of ranked units even more, and base size being an important factor less for gameplay but more for general looks. I consider this a win already!
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Post by knoffles on Oct 1, 2023 21:35:59 GMT
I have a reasonably new empire army (well, bought in lockdown but being put together this year) and when I went on Triple Crown, they asked me if I’ll be basing it for TOW as a good chunk is infantry and we know that 20mm is increasing. The answer was no. Not because I had anything against bigger base sizes but it meant I could be more flexible with its use, allowing ease of compatability with older editions and more importantly, with my existing armies. If I’d started it after TOW was released? It’s still unlikely.
I know we’ve had release rumours of Q4 2023 and now Q1 2024 but it’s plodded along for so long that until it’s actually out I’m not planning for it and until they actually finally release it or they confirm the base sizes, it seems crazy to rebase.
When it’s released I’ll inevitably start a new TK army, but I’ll likely still retain the old base sizes but we’ll see. It may depend on the take up of the game, especially in the local area.
I will say I’m really looking forward to it. Not necessarily just the rules (though I’m curious where they take them) but definitely with the lore and I’m hoping with a fantasy style to the Heresy books.
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Post by swissdictator on Nov 15, 2023 20:24:04 GMT
I put all my VC on rounds for AoS, and I'm putting them on old world base sizes since most of what I've done so far is infantry that was on 20mm. I like the larger base size from a hobbyist perspective. More room to pose, the figures also stand out in a nice way a bit more that I like and they still feel like a cohesive unit that I liked about WFB.
My Chaos Dwarfs and Empire will be remaining on 20mm squares until I see how well Old World does. If I do adapters or rebase we shall see. Partly if I do 6th ed, as I also enjoyed that era, my Chaos Dwarfs actually would be gaining an advantage with the bigger base size for their blunderbuss. This isn't quite the case if I'm using the Tamurkhan rules in 8th though.
Being a hobbyist at heart, I like the base size changes personally. Some stuff does work better on the larger base size.
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Post by thorpyuk on Nov 16, 2023 8:31:02 GMT
GW, with 'the end times' stuck two fingers up at everyone who loved Warhammer Fantasy. Heck they even got rid of all the paint colours & renamed them just to sell new colours (I switched to Vallejo paints & they're much better than citadel).
Essentially just telling everyone "sorry, your world has died and now it's all gone. Here, come and spend money on this new world we've just created" isn't good faith at all, and so they need to really pull something out the bag to build that good faith back. I for one will be sticking with 8th edition, but keeping an eye on TOW, maybe for new models if I deem them to look good quality and fill a hole in one of my armies.
In terms of base sizes, I'm not rebasing a thing - IF I ever play TOW, I'll use base adapters (20mm to 25mm) for them. Anyone who ever tried to rank up black orks on 25mm bases will however be might glad of moving to 30mm!
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