Concerning bases and new army projects Sept 4, 2023 9:04:07 GMT mottdon, grandmasterwang, and 1 more like this
Post by Darnok on Sept 4, 2023 9:04:07 GMT
Assume you were looking forward to TOW, and having an army project in the works these days. What base sizes do you go with, and does this question maybe stop you from doing certain armies? To illustrate my point, I will go over a few musings of mine, but I am really interested in other peoples take on this topic!
Why am I even asking this? You can certainly play TOW with your old armies, right? Yes, yes you can! Either by just using armies as they are, or by using unit bases to adapt to the new footprint you can easily play TOW with existing collections. This is not about whether you should rebase your models, everybody is of course free to do as they please. I just want to discuss the hobby side of things at a time when we have not yet full information on base sizes, and what it could mean for your project(s). Please note that this is quite a non-issue for probably 99% of even hardcore WHF fans, but I am kinda weird and also need to get this out of my system.
What we know so far?
- While TOW appearently keeps the previous base conventions (squares and rectangles), all bases are bigger than they were in past editions.
- The old 20mm bases are no longer a thing.
- Models previosly on 20mm bases are now on 25mm ones.
- What was on 25mm before now seems to be on 30mm or 32mm squares, but we have no definite answer yet.
- Cavalry bases get bigger as well, possibly 30mmx60mm.
- Some units might actually stay on their previous bases (the Stone Trolls in this article look to be on their old 40mm base).
- All units will come with a defined base requirement with their rule sheet.
This opens quite a can of worms in terms of planning a new army or updating existing collections.
First of all: armies with models mostly on 20mm bases. Dwarfs, all Elves, regular human infantry, Skaven, infantry of both Undead, all Goblin infantry. Here you have at least full information on all your infantry: they will be on 25mm bases for TOW, meaning you could work on them already without any risk.
What I found is a split between those armies in two camps. On the one hand I see Dwarfs, Elves, Bretonnia and Empire as armies that benefit a good bit from "upbasing" in terms of looks. Dwarfs in particular can be a chore to rank up, and I really like the look of them being spaced out a bit. Quite a few Elven units can be tough to rank as well (Wood Elves, looking at you!), and in general all of the armies I mentioned look fine to me with their troops spread out a bit more than before.
While the same is true in terms of ease of ranking and looks for Skaven/Undead/Goblins, with these I see another issue: board space. You see, the move from 20mm to 25mm base length does not make the required area 25% bigger - it is a plus of more than 50%. So any unit with bigger bases needs more than half the area more than before. With horde armies like Skaven you could run into space issues already... just imagine the same army requiring 150% of this! I also found the look af spread out Skaven and Goblins to be not that appealing: in my opinion GW has done a fine job with Clanrats and Nightgoblins in particular, since they rank up easily and look proper crowded the way they are now.
The other group of armies is the one with infantry mostly on 25mm bases. All of Chaos and the Orc side of Greenskins. With these we have no definite answer for their base sizes at all, we just know it will be bigger than before. While I welcome this change when it comes to ranking up models - Chaos Knights and all Orc infantry in particular will be much easier to handle - it also means I can not do anything for a "dedicated TOW army" yet.
Finally there are Lizardmen and Ogres. I would not touch the Lizardmen for the time being, since they have so many different units with base sizes all over the place. The only "safe" option right now are Skinks, and I have no desire to paint any at this point in time. As for Ogres, I guess outside of Gnoblars they might just remain on their old base sizes. Everything on 40mm works just fine as it is, as do the bigger models. I am not rebasing my 50+ Ogres anyway...
For the question "How easy is it to do an army for TOW right now?" I would rank things as follows:
- Dwarfs. Being mostly infantry, and with the knowledge of these being on 25mm bases for TOW, you could do 80% of a Dwarf army with models and bases available right now. Warmachines and a few other things can easily be done later, once the full rules are out in detail.
- Empire. Another army heavy on infantry, you can easily do all of that already. Cavalry and all the other things that spice up the Empire would have to wait though. Same for...
- Elves. These are a bit more reliant on cavalry and their other specialist units, which is why I ranked them (slightly) below Empire. Still, you could do any Elven infantry now, and for Dark Elves the range is even still available from GW.
- Bretonnia. No knights for now, but all of the infantry can be done. Depending on your list choices this could be a lot, or nothing at all - still ranking them here.
- Skaven. Most of the infantry can be done right now, and the model range is still available from GW. These rank lower based on the table space problem described above. Same for...
- Goblins. Armies of mostly goblins are possible (and not even terrible). For Nightgoblins you can get all their options in GW plastic right now. These rank below Skaven due to the non-goblinoid choices and the fact common Goblin infantry has not been a thing for the better part of a decade.
- Vampire Counts. See Skaven and Goblins. Ranked lower due to the bigger variety (and need) of non-infantry choices.
- Tomb Kings. Technically similar to VC, but good luck finding the models.
- Chaos Dwarfs. Exist. Their infantry can be done now, for the rest we have no clue yet.
- Lizardmen. Ranking just above Chaos and Orcs due to Skinks existing, and most of their "classic" WHF range being available from GW direct until recently.
- Chaos and Orcs. Lumping these together, as they all require infantry on a base size we do not know or have yet.
- Ogres. We have literally no idea where these wil go in terms of bases. Just don't.
So while this rambling might be quite pointless, I still remain interested on your opinion on the matter. Do you have any projects specifically for TOW in the works? What is your take on basing, and did it have any influence on your hobby recently? Let us have some random discussion, if only to kill some more time until the actual details finally drop!