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Post by boda317 on Apr 22, 2017 15:24:16 GMT
I need to rant a little and if this is the wrong place just tell me. So even though I only get to play once every 3 months or so I have played warhammer, in some form, for 20 years of my life. Now as some people here may know I always dabble in warhammer 40k. I've enjoyed that game as well but today I read something that just downright pissed me off. And that is the new 40k edition, but not even that. I went further and read the new faq on the new edition. So this are my problems.
1. They put this out to obviously keep the gamers calm, after what they did with age of sigmar. They are changing everything with this system too and scaring gamers in the process.
2. A question was asked "why should we trust gw?" And the answer made me angry. That being "because we are the new games workshop!" I can't trust a company that destroyed a beloved system and story. I understand they needed to make money, but damn I still feel hurt that they destroyed 8th and gave a huge middle finger to us. The real fantasy players.
3. It looks like it will be like age of sigmar and they will have 3 types of ways to play and free rules. I already don't like this. Trying to change it to a simpler game takes the fun out of it. Are we going to see 4 pages of rules again? I don't want to have to boycott another system.
I for one am still annoyed at how GW treated us at the end of 8th. Like our years of loyalty didn't matter. And if they destroy another system that I find fun I will no longer have a need to buy anything from them. 3rd party it is! No more full GW armies for me, which I love having on the table. So many other companies make models just as well now. Am I the only one that is annoyed and angry all over again at a company I once loved?
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Post by Baronthehumbled on Apr 22, 2017 17:54:04 GMT
Ouch. Haha, complaints about GW giving options and free stuff. Never thought this day would come.  Well at least your wallet will be healthier now.  Fully entitled to rant though and definitely not alone in hating the new system (even though it's mostly speculation at even this point). Can't agree though because the loss of rules bloat finally means I can get my friends into it without them running away at the sight of the main rulebook. |
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Post by vulcan on Apr 22, 2017 23:06:44 GMT
So it's looking like they're going to gimp 40K down to AoS level?
Well, it's not exactly surprising.....
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Post by KevinC on Apr 22, 2017 23:47:50 GMT
I have to disagree with Boda here, though I have not played a game of 40K in probably 16+ years.
I think an AOS style rules set is completely appropriate for 40K. It's not like they are converting 40K models onto square bases and saying they have to rank up. I'm actually interested in seeing what happens...
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Post by KevinC on Apr 22, 2017 23:49:27 GMT
Can anyone explain this 40K shadow war game for me? Is it different from 40K? and why is it being release when a new 40K is coming out?
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Post by boda317 on Apr 22, 2017 23:50:43 GMT
Shadow war is nercomundo just a new version
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Post by Horace on Apr 23, 2017 11:25:55 GMT
*The edition’s not even out and you guys have an FAQ - how times have changed!
Hah, they really are laying it on thick making out they are a brand new different company.
They are blatantly trying to mitigate the risk of the backlash we saw from the community against the watery lump of turd that is AoS. Not surprising really it was a total disaster that launch, must be one of the worst launches of all time.
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Post by mottdon on Apr 23, 2017 14:59:19 GMT
I completely agree with you Boda and Horace. IF 40K is such the cash cow that GW loves to claim, and it's the end-all pattern of a table-top game that SOOOO many gush over, then why mess with it at all? That stinks of lies. I don't think that it's nearly as popular as they want it to be. There's simply nothing else that has as much support from a company. I've always believed that if GW was to pour as many resources into Fantasy as they have 40K, they would've seen MUCH better profits. They just simply didn't want to.
And, quite frankly, if players run away from a game because they don't want to put forth the effort into reading the rules, then they aren't going to play but a few games anyway. They aren't the invested sort. So many players just want to play for an hour and then go do something else. Social butterflies.
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Post by roughtimes on Apr 23, 2017 15:10:44 GMT
I read the FAQ this morning before seeing this thread It's strange. At the moment I have zero good will towards this company but I do think that could change in the future. I fully expect a proper fantasy reboot sometime down the road. Until then this company won't get a cent from me, except for paint purchases (in too deep on that one) |
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Post by Anaris on Apr 23, 2017 15:58:56 GMT
Someone just needs to walk up to the guy or people that made the call for the change from fantasy to AoS and just slap the shit out of him/them.
They then need to do that to the 40k person/people and do the same thing.
Lol
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Post by Baronthehumbled on Apr 23, 2017 16:54:26 GMT
I don't think the 40k guy deserves a slap for basically 40k-ing 40k.. The game needs to change anyway if it wants to beat out X-wing which has the #1 tabletop spot. And yet it's the streamlined easy-to-learn games that are making the top spots of the tabletop. North America's popularity list for top-five was: X-wing, 40K, Warmachine, AoS, Warhordes. Easy to get into skirmish is just the best sell. Yeah, the Aold Wyrld edition. (they'll at least have to keep the Malekith name change to avoid Marvel suing them.) Can't argue with that, especially since GW has been gearing up AoS since around the end of 7th edition. I personally think it was the changing of the guard between Kirby to Rountree (blessed be his name) that grinded up the release ideas for AoS. Them just adding a larger narrative about the age of myth,when the reborn races of the Old World had made empires throughout the realms, and built up the story to the age of Sigmar instead of just dropping everyone into the middle of it would've done wonders. Early Grand Alliance books would've been a great idea too so people didn't have to worry about their armies. |
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Post by roughtimes on Apr 23, 2017 17:11:18 GMT
I wonder if we should even consider x wing in the same wheel house as WFB.
Nobody should be surprised that x wing is number one. It's much easier to collect and is based on one of the most popular movies of all time. GW could never compete but why does that have to be a problem?
Find your niche and create a loyal fan base.
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Post by Horace on Apr 23, 2017 17:24:07 GMT
Can't argue with that, especially since GW has been gearing up AoS since around the end of 7th edition. I personally think it was the changing of the guard between Kirby to Rountree (blessed be his name) that grinded up the release ideas for AoS. Them just adding a larger narrative about the age of myth,when the reborn races of the Old World had made empires throughout the realms, and built up the story to the age of Sigmar instead of just dropping everyone into the middle of it would've done wonders. Early Grand Alliance books would've been a great idea too so people didn't have to worry about their armies. Not sure about that, I think the people that hate AoS would have hated it regardless of which books came out at release. I personally hate what the races have become and have zero interest into reading any fluff about the universe because I do not like how the universe came about or the barebones of it. I also don't like the change in aesthetic or playstyle so Aos is just 100% not for me |
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Post by Baronthehumbled on Apr 23, 2017 17:28:45 GMT
Well the real problem is 40k's declining popularity(there was even a brief point where AoS outsold it)due to the entry barrier gauntlet that doomed fantasy. People are going over to x-wing in droves for a easier to get into popular Sci-fi. They got the niche and loyal fanbase, they just need to make it easier to build on those. Horace, Oh yeah, people were going to leave regardless like any edition change. A better launch would've ensured more people stayed though rather than the majority taking a wait-and-see stance that the GA books, general's handbook and summer campaign were able to bring back in. |
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Post by rockcity on Apr 23, 2017 17:41:59 GMT
I wonder if we should even consider x wing in the same wheel house as WFB. Nobody should be surprised that x wing is number one. It's much easier to collect and is based on one of the most popular movies of all time. GW could never compete but why does that have to be a problem? Find your niche and create a loyal fan base. If anyone has the chance to play a campaign of X-Wing: Heroes of the Aturi cluster - a fan-made co-op campaign supplement please do! It is 10/10 the most star wars fun I have had in gaming. dockingbay416.com/campaign/ |
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